tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16823943.post2687693340826239957..comments2023-09-18T12:16:21.289-07:00Comments on Evolving English II: Well-grounded verbsWordzGuyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04618408509448732889noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16823943.post-62313095603357066602010-05-17T18:52:52.595-07:002010-05-17T18:52:52.595-07:00I just want to note that this post is thrown a big...I just want to note that this post is thrown a big wobbly by the fact that "grinded" appears to have been in common usage before the 1900s, as a quick check in the OED will show you.Stewarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00228826715633338544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16823943.post-4784816547328773262008-10-02T12:43:00.000-07:002008-10-02T12:43:00.000-07:00It immediately reminded me of "mouses" but I see y...It immediately reminded me of "mouses" but I see you have already covered that in an earlier post.Vincenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18297306807695767580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16823943.post-41113177275072154042008-04-22T06:54:00.000-07:002008-04-22T06:54:00.000-07:00AIUI the reason that "fly out", "grandstand", "tro...AIUI the reason that "fly out", "grandstand", "troubleshoot" are regular verbs is because they are zero-derived from nouns. But "pre-grind" isn't derived from a noun so we would expect to find "pre-ground" for the past participle.goofyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14760721504519661112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16823943.post-56933526721592774692008-04-16T13:03:00.000-07:002008-04-16T13:03:00.000-07:00I wonder whether it's simply a matter of people no...I wonder whether it's simply a matter of people not understanding homographs. I wouldn't be surprised to discover an (ignorant) adult looking for the fresh <I>tree</I> coffee or fresh <I>vine</I> coffee amongst all the fresh <I>ground</I> coffee. If people didn't understand that "ground" also means "put through a grinder," then "grinded" makes perfect sense. <BR/><BR/>Granted, an editor shouldn't let this through. But we all have our little blind spots.Andy Hollandbeckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005908016945472261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16823943.post-70738904525863764112008-04-11T11:15:00.000-07:002008-04-11T11:15:00.000-07:00@ jb dryden -- No question that grinded is incorre...@ jb dryden -- <BR/><BR/>No question that <I>grinded</I> is incorrect per the current state of the language. The question is <B>why</B> people would start writing <I>grinded</I> instead of <I>ground</I>; part of the point here is that they do indeed say (well, write) this. (People have done so at least 46,000 times, per Google.) It's a mistake, but it's a mistake that follows a highly predictable pattern, moreover one that has been applied to many verbs in the history of English and that over time significantly reduced the number of irregular verbs in the language. As I muse at the end, is the verb <I>to grind</I> in a state of transition w/r/t its past tense?WordzGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04618408509448732889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16823943.post-33399151747151329262008-04-11T06:24:00.000-07:002008-04-11T06:24:00.000-07:00As an editor, I have this to say: I agree that it ...As an editor, I have this to say: I agree that it sounds incorrect. It seems to me that the more proper conjugation of that should be <I>ground</I> not <I>grinded</I>. As far as it being a 'new verb', I don't know that I would see it as that. <BR/><BR/>As a purveyor of coffee, I've always heard the term <I>pre-ground</I> and all other references to what happens to the beans when you put them in the grinder as being <I>ground</I> afterwards. I think the <I>pre-</I> just indicates the idea of 'before you purchase it'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16823943.post-12183393466704187892008-04-11T02:28:00.000-07:002008-04-11T02:28:00.000-07:00Interesting. As you say, this is not unusual - the...Interesting. As you say, this is not unusual - the move toward the regular (nor is the move toward irregular, ha - remember that Chomsky quote?) but I wonder why?<BR/><BR/>I have a strange gut feeling it displays some form of insecurity about the use of an irregular form. It's not that the writer didn't KNOW "ground" was correct, it's more like he doesn't feel sure, so he puts "grinded" figuring he's on safer ground. Erm, pardon the pun.markowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01691087571429357848noreply@blogger.com